What a Friend We Have In….

March 30, 2006 at 10:34 PM (Uncategorized) ()

Or at least Someone to Point Out how Terribly Wrong Women are…”

from a religious web site about a women’s group, I kid you not… but if I actually *link* to it, they’ll come after me…

“This group offers encouragement to wives and mothers to overcome the universal sense of failure in their roles. Come and join us – we meet at the church…”

That had to be the biggest WTF moment I’ve had in a long while

12 Comments

  1. bridgett said,

    I especially like the confident use of the word “universal”! And when someone from the Assembly of God uses universal, they really do so with deliberate intent, because God so ordains. (Yes, I googled the phrase…)

    The official position papers of the AoG on women as spiritual leaders takes a much more progressive theological line than most of the congregations — although given the tenor of the papers, it appears like they are most interested in getting the sisters to go serve the benighted of Asia and Africa while leaving the American pulpits to the menfolk. But, as you know, it has always been thus among those of the Protestant persuasion. One can hardly put forth the missionary position without wimmenfolk.

    In case you’re interested, the AoG position paper to which I refer is here:

    http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Position_Papers/pp_4191_women_ministry.cfm

    This place looks like a Warehouse O’ God — a one-stop full-service cradle to grave clearinghouse for all social activities so the Chosen don’t have to put up with any heretics or free thinkers unless they’re evangelizing. While I think they want to be a Mars Hill style Emergent Church/Jesus Community (as in “People will drive a long way to see a fire…”) I’m skeptical that the feel-good and jazz combos can be reconciled with the hard way of Christianity. But what do I know? I’m struggling with the universal feeling of failure in my role as a wife and mother.

    Is there a story to share about why you find yourself thinking about the Women’s Ministry of this congregation?

  2. bridgett said,

    I especially like the confident use of the word “universal”! And when someone from the Assembly of God uses universal, they really do so with deliberate intent, because God so ordains. (Yes, I googled the phrase…)

    The official position papers of the AoG on women as spiritual leaders takes a much more progressive theological line than most of the congregations — although given the tenor of the papers, it appears like they are most interested in getting the sisters to go serve the benighted of Asia and Africa while leaving the American pulpits to the menfolk. But, as you know, it has always been thus among those of the Protestant persuasion. One can hardly put forth the missionary position without wimmenfolk.

    In case you’re interested, the AoG position paper to which I refer is here:

    http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Position_Papers/pp_4191_women_ministry.cfm

    This place looks like a Warehouse O’ God — a one-stop full-service cradle to grave clearinghouse for all social activities so the Chosen don’t have to put up with any heretics or free thinkers unless they’re evangelizing. While I think they want to be a Mars Hill style Emergent Church/Jesus Community (as in “People will drive a long way to see a fire…”) I’m skeptical that the feel-good and jazz combos can be reconciled with the hard way of Christianity. But what do I know? I’m struggling with the universal feeling of failure in my role as a wife and mother.

    Is there a story to share about why you find yourself thinking about the Women’s Ministry of this congregation?

  3. imfunnytoo said,

    I suppose so…I’ve been roving around the nets looking at any and all different faith communities, because whatever my doctrinal angst (and that ain’t going away) I keep making attempts at putting down some roots someplace…it would adress some of my severe socialization deficit many of whose websites I breeze by and say *** no, wouldn’t spend my Sundays there (as above) and in the quick breeze past I saw that quote, and was so completely astonished because I am absolutely certain that even the strictest faith communities with which I have associated would never say such a thing….

    One of the strictest ones that I was ever involved with expected the literal adherence to Ephesians for example, and did not permit women pastors (got around that by having a lot of women quasi preachers as “teachers,” or “guest speakers.” but strove to at least heap some serious praise on those who toed the line and did the pancake breakfasts at 6:00 am, or had four children in six years, or had a huge feed-and Bible Study each week etc….

    It was all about trade offs, and it was my impression, that they were not going to back off from their impression of the limitations demanded of women, but neither were they simply allowing the women to be going about the scutwork unrespected, at least by the public face and pronouncements from the pulpit.

    It’s that public disrespect of *even the few “exalted” roles* that made me back up the truck and say

    “What?”

    for the record, the faith communities that I may spend some time with include:

    A close, new, and very very accessible church at the nearest Catholic church/parish.

    Two different mainline Protestant places downtown. (Episcopal,Presbyterian)

    A Methodist fellowship east of town

    A non denominational spot five minutes away.

    A UCC church that is horridly inaccessible but has a great group of people.

    UU’s I check in with every six months to see if the music has improved…(it hasn’t)

    The Buddists interest me but they are too far west.

    A couple of small Baptist places that don’t give off that “judgment and condemnattion” vibe.

    I’ve also been involved with, and quickly left, two or three places in the last five years, because they either had doctrinal differences that were deal breakers for me, or the “culture” within the congregation made my semi/intuition/vibe thing in my head go off saying “get out now, while you still can,” and I did.

    Sad, really, because many of the spookiest places had the best music

  4. imfunnytoo said,

    I suppose so…I’ve been roving around the nets looking at any and all different faith communities, because whatever my doctrinal angst (and that ain’t going away) I keep making attempts at putting down some roots someplace…it would adress some of my severe socialization deficit many of whose websites I breeze by and say *** no, wouldn’t spend my Sundays there (as above) and in the quick breeze past I saw that quote, and was so completely astonished because I am absolutely certain that even the strictest faith communities with which I have associated would never say such a thing….

    One of the strictest ones that I was ever involved with expected the literal adherence to Ephesians for example, and did not permit women pastors (got around that by having a lot of women quasi preachers as “teachers,” or “guest speakers.” but strove to at least heap some serious praise on those who toed the line and did the pancake breakfasts at 6:00 am, or had four children in six years, or had a huge feed-and Bible Study each week etc….

    It was all about trade offs, and it was my impression, that they were not going to back off from their impression of the limitations demanded of women, but neither were they simply allowing the women to be going about the scutwork unrespected, at least by the public face and pronouncements from the pulpit.

    It’s that public disrespect of *even the few “exalted” roles* that made me back up the truck and say

    “What?”

    for the record, the faith communities that I may spend some time with include:

    A close, new, and very very accessible church at the nearest Catholic church/parish.

    Two different mainline Protestant places downtown. (Episcopal,Presbyterian)

    A Methodist fellowship east of town

    A non denominational spot five minutes away.

    A UCC church that is horridly inaccessible but has a great group of people.

    UU’s I check in with every six months to see if the music has improved…(it hasn’t)

    The Buddists interest me but they are too far west.

    A couple of small Baptist places that don’t give off that “judgment and condemnattion” vibe.

    I’ve also been involved with, and quickly left, two or three places in the last five years, because they either had doctrinal differences that were deal breakers for me, or the “culture” within the congregation made my semi/intuition/vibe thing in my head go off saying “get out now, while you still can,” and I did.

    Sad, really, because many of the spookiest places had the best music

  5. imfunnytoo said,

    and in addition
    another local UCC congregation that I haven’t been to yet that seems to hit all of my doctrinal positives that I just found their website last evening…

  6. imfunnytoo said,

    and in addition
    another local UCC congregation that I haven’t been to yet that seems to hit all of my doctrinal positives that I just found their website last evening…

  7. bridgett said,

    Totally agreed on the UUs and their music — sad, really, considering all the other positives. The congregation out at Cornfield U got around that by having frequent (near weekly) performers from around the globe and a choir that sung from everything except the hymnal. I’ve heard they are revising the hymnal again and I’ll keep you posted.

    Does your area have a Friends meeting? You might be looking for more liturgy, but I’ve found something very appealing about the simplicity of the services. We’d probably go more regularly but there is that deal-breaker for The Elf about belief in God…so we hang with the UUs, where both of us can get most of what we need.

    My best friend from Cornfield U has been having a great experience at her UCC congregation — hip, progressive, social justice centered, good music, the works. Oh, and let us not forget that our alma mater was a UCC outfit (however distantly and nominally by the time we got there). So you’ve already got an in!

  8. bridgett said,

    Totally agreed on the UUs and their music — sad, really, considering all the other positives. The congregation out at Cornfield U got around that by having frequent (near weekly) performers from around the globe and a choir that sung from everything except the hymnal. I’ve heard they are revising the hymnal again and I’ll keep you posted.

    Does your area have a Friends meeting? You might be looking for more liturgy, but I’ve found something very appealing about the simplicity of the services. We’d probably go more regularly but there is that deal-breaker for The Elf about belief in God…so we hang with the UUs, where both of us can get most of what we need.

    My best friend from Cornfield U has been having a great experience at her UCC congregation — hip, progressive, social justice centered, good music, the works. Oh, and let us not forget that our alma mater was a UCC outfit (however distantly and nominally by the time we got there). So you’ve already got an in!

  9. imfunnytoo said,

    Not to correct the Professor, or anything (toe scuffling in the dirt) but wasn’t it Disciples of Christ?

    Or, perhaps I am ignorant of a Disciples of Christ/UCC connection…

    Hmmm.

  10. imfunnytoo said,

    Not to correct the Professor, or anything (toe scuffling in the dirt) but wasn’t it Disciples of Christ?

    Or, perhaps I am ignorant of a Disciples of Christ/UCC connection…

    Hmmm.

  11. bridgett said,

    Duh — you are right, of course. For some reason, I thought that the UCC and the Disciples had united a couple of years ago, but that was not so. Hard to tell all the mainline Protestant players w/o a scorecard!

    (Or I could be coy and say that I was merely trying to plant a red herring to give you greater anonymity…yeah, that’s the ticket!)

  12. bridgett said,

    Duh — you are right, of course. For some reason, I thought that the UCC and the Disciples had united a couple of years ago, but that was not so. Hard to tell all the mainline Protestant players w/o a scorecard!

    (Or I could be coy and say that I was merely trying to plant a red herring to give you greater anonymity…yeah, that’s the ticket!)

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